1 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,020 Oh, oh, ow, ow! 2 00:02:16,076 --> 00:02:17,056 Help! 3 00:02:20,084 --> 00:02:21,068 Help! 4 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,080 Who are you? 5 00:02:25,092 --> 00:02:27,071 I didn't do anything! 6 00:02:27,072 --> 00:02:32,072 I didn't do-- 7 00:03:00,032 --> 00:03:03,067 Arriving at Gate 2B. 8 00:03:07,004 --> 00:03:07,999 'Staffe. 9 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,019 Guv, it's Josie. 10 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:11,003 Sorry to disturb you. 11 00:03:11,004 --> 00:03:13,048 That's all right, flight's delayed, so-- 12 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,051 Look, there's been a murder on the Heatherly. 13 00:03:15,052 --> 00:03:19,024 I wouldn't have rung normally, but this one's unusual. 14 00:03:20,056 --> 00:03:22,060 What do you mean, unusual? 15 00:03:26,032 --> 00:03:27,079 Oh, man. 16 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,080 I did say. 17 00:03:30,064 --> 00:03:32,040 Just had my lunch. 18 00:03:39,004 --> 00:03:40,076 Oi, Who called him? 19 00:03:41,096 --> 00:03:43,059 Oh, he would've had my balls if I hadn't, Sarge. 20 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:45,027 I'm in charge, Josie, when he's on leave. 21 00:03:45,028 --> 00:03:46,011 I run the shop and you ask me 22 00:03:46,012 --> 00:03:48,008 before you do something like that, OK? 23 00:03:48,096 --> 00:03:50,012 Sorry, Sarge. 24 00:03:52,092 --> 00:03:54,096 Still won't make him want to fuck you, sweetheart. 25 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,040 Fun and games in here. 26 00:04:41,096 --> 00:04:42,080 Cause of death? 27 00:04:44,012 --> 00:04:44,091 Well, you'd think blood loss 28 00:04:44,092 --> 00:04:46,075 from the castration and facial mutilation, 29 00:04:46,076 --> 00:04:49,048 but I'm not sure there's enough blood. 30 00:04:51,016 --> 00:04:52,019 So? 31 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:53,031 My guess? 32 00:04:53,032 --> 00:04:55,032 Cardiac arrest, died of shock. 33 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,064 Whisky. 34 00:05:04,004 --> 00:05:04,083 Do you know how they got in? 35 00:05:04,084 --> 00:05:06,064 No, but no forced entry. 36 00:05:16,008 --> 00:05:16,092 OK. 37 00:05:19,024 --> 00:05:21,032 Let's find out who he is. 38 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:48,015 Ray Collins. 39 00:05:48,016 --> 00:05:50,003 Was arrested 2.5 years ago on suspicion 40 00:05:50,004 --> 00:05:52,075 of sexual assault of children under 13, 41 00:05:52,076 --> 00:05:56,008 specifically his then nine and 11-year-old stepdaughters. 42 00:05:56,096 --> 00:05:57,999 He met the threshold test. 43 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,999 He was remanded in custody for three weeks, 44 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,063 and then the CPS decided that the evidence wasn't enough 45 00:06:02,064 --> 00:06:05,055 to go full code, and he was released. 46 00:06:05,056 --> 00:06:07,072 But sir, he'd done it. 47 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,060 Well, like I say, the evidence wasn't there, so, 48 00:06:15,052 --> 00:06:18,039 so he was released, and at the time of his death 49 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,999 he was living in the same flat, but on his own, 50 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,035 his wife having left with the kids 51 00:06:22,036 --> 00:06:23,067 just before she made the allegations. 52 00:06:23,068 --> 00:06:26,075 Now, according to his neighbors she still has a key, 53 00:06:26,076 --> 00:06:28,067 so we need to speak to her. 54 00:06:28,068 --> 00:06:30,007 His crimes were well known on the estate. 55 00:06:30,008 --> 00:06:31,071 He'd had abusive messages sprayed on his front door. 56 00:06:31,072 --> 00:06:33,003 He was violently assaulted by a gang 57 00:06:33,004 --> 00:06:34,083 of youths only four months ago. 58 00:06:34,084 --> 00:06:36,051 So, there's a good possibility we're dealing 59 00:06:36,052 --> 00:06:38,003 with him being the victim of a vigilante. 60 00:06:38,004 --> 00:06:39,068 I'm sorry, Danny, what's that face? 61 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,043 Sorry, guv? 62 00:06:42,044 --> 00:06:46,008 You pulled a face when I said victim. 63 00:06:46,096 --> 00:06:47,075 Did I? 64 00:06:47,076 --> 00:06:48,060 Yes. 65 00:06:50,020 --> 00:06:51,999 Oh, do you think Ray Collins is less deserving 66 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 of our best efforts because of his past? 67 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:56,031 No. 68 00:06:56,032 --> 00:06:57,052 Good, it's good to hear. 69 00:06:58,056 --> 00:07:00,023 Because anyone who does subscribe 70 00:07:00,024 --> 00:07:01,051 to that sort of moronic, 71 00:07:01,052 --> 00:07:03,076 sixth-form idea can piss off. 72 00:07:04,096 --> 00:07:07,035 Now, I mean it, go. 73 00:07:07,036 --> 00:07:08,055 Go, get out. 74 00:07:08,056 --> 00:07:10,083 Get out, go tweet Katie Hopkins. 75 00:07:10,084 --> 00:07:13,015 Go live in a country that doesn't respect the rule of law, 76 00:07:13,016 --> 00:07:14,056 'cause you're no good to me. 77 00:07:18,024 --> 00:07:19,044 Anyone want to go? 78 00:07:24,068 --> 00:07:25,052 Marvelous. 79 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,043 We're all singing from the same song sheet. 80 00:07:28,044 --> 00:07:30,079 So, I would suggest that the way he was killed 81 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,071 was a statement about his life 82 00:07:31,072 --> 00:07:33,079 and what he was accused of, 83 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,071 but who would want to make that statement? 84 00:07:35,072 --> 00:07:37,035 Sue, door to doors, please. 85 00:07:37,036 --> 00:07:38,047 See what people are saying. 86 00:07:38,048 --> 00:07:40,083 Josie, CCTV and last movements, please. 87 00:07:40,084 --> 00:07:42,019 Rick, speak to his family. 88 00:07:42,020 --> 00:07:43,087 Dan, find out why the abuse case collapsed, 89 00:07:43,088 --> 00:07:44,087 speak to the original IC, 90 00:07:44,088 --> 00:07:46,031 and David, you are with me. 91 00:07:46,032 --> 00:07:47,999 You and I will speak to the wife in the morning. 92 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,999 Thank you, good night. 93 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:06,035 Oh, Christ, Will! 94 00:09:06,036 --> 00:09:07,999 What are you doing? 95 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,067 - Uncle Will. - Hey, hey! 96 00:09:09,068 --> 00:09:10,067 Hey, Har, how are you? 97 00:09:10,068 --> 00:09:11,092 - Good. - Good. 98 00:09:14,084 --> 00:09:18,024 Sorry, our bloody boiler's broken down. 99 00:09:21,064 --> 00:09:22,059 Give that back! 100 00:09:22,060 --> 00:09:24,003 No, go on, try and get it. 101 00:09:24,004 --> 00:09:25,003 Try and get it. 102 00:09:25,004 --> 00:09:26,012 You weakling! 103 00:09:28,008 --> 00:09:28,092 You win. 104 00:09:31,076 --> 00:09:33,999 You made me lose a life. 105 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,071 He looks just like Dad when he smiles. 106 00:09:36,072 --> 00:09:37,080 Yeah, he's the spit. 107 00:09:40,048 --> 00:09:41,071 I would've found somewhere else, Will, 108 00:09:41,072 --> 00:09:43,043 but you said were on holiday and-- 109 00:09:43,044 --> 00:09:45,083 Jules, stop. 110 00:09:45,084 --> 00:09:48,003 It's your house as much as mine. 111 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:49,076 You don't have to apologize. 112 00:09:50,076 --> 00:09:53,035 Well, it'll be fixed by the end of the week, so-- 113 00:09:53,036 --> 00:09:58,028 Yeah, well, can't live without hot water, can you? 114 00:10:00,048 --> 00:10:02,063 And, you know, I love having you both here. 115 00:10:02,064 --> 00:10:03,064 It feels like home. 116 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,059 Anyone fancy a quick game of FIFA before tea? 117 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:10,068 Me! 118 00:10:16,004 --> 00:10:17,067 We've got stuff in common. 119 00:10:17,068 --> 00:10:18,079 - We could turn tips-- - Bennet, stop being 120 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,071 a twat and piss off. 121 00:10:20,072 --> 00:10:21,080 Sorry, Mr Dawlish. 122 00:10:24,024 --> 00:10:25,047 Apologies. 123 00:10:25,048 --> 00:10:27,019 Oh, no worries. 124 00:10:27,020 --> 00:10:29,019 Too many cold drinks, I suspect. 125 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:30,031 You doing tomorrow's bash? 126 00:10:30,032 --> 00:10:32,067 Er, yeah, I think so. 127 00:10:32,068 --> 00:10:34,060 I'll make sure he's properly restrained. 128 00:10:35,052 --> 00:10:36,036 See you then. 129 00:10:40,076 --> 00:10:42,040 So, you finished unpacking yet? 130 00:10:43,096 --> 00:10:44,999 Yeah, nearly. 131 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,015 Remind me, is it two years or three 132 00:10:46,016 --> 00:10:47,003 since you moved back in? 133 00:10:47,004 --> 00:10:49,075 18 months, and interior design's not really my thing. 134 00:10:49,076 --> 00:10:51,011 Curtains aren't interior design, 135 00:10:51,012 --> 00:10:53,015 and nor, strictly speaking, are chairs. 136 00:10:53,016 --> 00:10:54,087 Well, maybe I need a trip to IKEA. 137 00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:03,039 Does it ever feel weird, living back here? 138 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,071 No, there's not really much left 139 00:11:04,072 --> 00:11:08,020 of them after 15 years of rentals, so, 140 00:11:12,004 --> 00:11:15,004 no, no, it feels fine. 141 00:11:17,048 --> 00:11:18,047 Well, tell us when you're going. 142 00:11:18,048 --> 00:11:19,031 Hm? 143 00:11:19,032 --> 00:11:20,051 To IKEA, we'll go together. 144 00:11:20,052 --> 00:11:21,079 Always use more meatballs. 145 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,999 Nice. 146 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,035 I've got literally no idea 147 00:11:25,036 --> 00:11:26,039 what either of you are talking about. 148 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,047 Meatballs. 149 00:11:27,048 --> 00:11:28,047 Meatballs? 150 00:11:28,048 --> 00:11:30,084 Ha ha, oh, God. 151 00:11:32,016 --> 00:11:32,999 How's Sylve? 152 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,095 Uh, fine, I think. 153 00:11:34,096 --> 00:11:35,095 You don't see her? 154 00:11:35,096 --> 00:11:38,023 We speak on the phone every now and then. 155 00:11:38,024 --> 00:11:39,039 How long did you guys go out for? 156 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,039 You know the longest relationship 157 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,051 most people have in their lives? 158 00:11:42,052 --> 00:11:43,047 It's the one with their sibling. 159 00:11:43,048 --> 00:11:44,031 Mm. 160 00:11:44,032 --> 00:11:45,999 Because you know your brother and sister 161 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,015 longer than you know any partner 162 00:11:48,016 --> 00:11:51,055 or your friends or your child. 163 00:11:51,056 --> 00:11:52,036 Your parents. 164 00:11:54,064 --> 00:11:56,019 How about you? 165 00:11:56,020 --> 00:11:58,015 How are things going with the new bloke? 166 00:11:58,016 --> 00:11:59,016 Yeah, good. 167 00:12:01,012 --> 00:12:02,039 Harry adores Paulo, don't you, sweetheart? 168 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,091 Mm-hm. 169 00:12:03,092 --> 00:12:07,036 He's a typical Italian, full of emotion, but he's great. 170 00:12:11,068 --> 00:12:12,075 More sauce? 171 00:12:12,076 --> 00:12:13,059 Yes, please. 172 00:12:13,060 --> 00:12:15,003 I'm good. 173 00:13:21,012 --> 00:13:23,011 Just spoke to one of Debbie Collins' kids. 174 00:13:23,012 --> 00:13:24,039 Apparently, she's at work. 175 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,011 A chippie off the high street called A Plaice In The Sun, 176 00:13:27,012 --> 00:13:28,087 with an I, as in fish. 177 00:13:28,088 --> 00:13:29,072 Plaice not Place. 178 00:13:31,028 --> 00:13:32,039 Huh? 179 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,027 Well, it's a pun, innit? 180 00:13:34,028 --> 00:13:37,096 Like plaice, not place, A Plaice In The Sun. 181 00:13:39,072 --> 00:13:41,019 A Plaice In The Sun? 182 00:13:41,020 --> 00:13:43,039 Yeah, it's a play on the, 183 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,087 - oh. - Oh! 184 00:13:44,088 --> 00:13:46,047 Fuck right off! 185 00:13:46,048 --> 00:13:48,039 Oh, mate, oh, mate! 186 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,087 Yeah, I knew you knew. 187 00:13:49,088 --> 00:13:50,095 Yeah, no, of course you did. 188 00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:52,003 I was actually winding you up. 189 00:13:53,092 --> 00:13:55,007 I Put an extra onion in there for you. 190 00:13:55,008 --> 00:13:55,092 Ta, love. 191 00:13:58,004 --> 00:13:59,035 Yes, lads? 192 00:13:59,036 --> 00:14:01,028 DS Pulford, that's DI Wagstaffe. 193 00:14:02,032 --> 00:14:04,024 We need to speak to Debbie Collins. 194 00:14:06,004 --> 00:14:07,063 I'm gonna need five minutes, please. 195 00:14:07,064 --> 00:14:09,072 All right, then. 196 00:14:16,004 --> 00:14:17,040 Well, it wasn't me. 197 00:14:21,068 --> 00:14:22,075 You heard? 198 00:14:22,076 --> 00:14:25,055 I got a call from someone on the estate last night. 199 00:14:25,056 --> 00:14:27,035 You've still got friends there, have you? 200 00:14:27,036 --> 00:14:29,007 Acquaintances. 201 00:14:29,008 --> 00:14:30,072 And no one who'd do something like that. 202 00:14:31,064 --> 00:14:32,096 Were you shocked? 203 00:14:33,084 --> 00:14:34,068 Yeah, I was. 204 00:14:35,096 --> 00:14:36,092 And relieved. 205 00:14:37,096 --> 00:14:40,027 No other child's gonna have to go through what mine did. 206 00:14:40,028 --> 00:14:43,003 No other mother's gonna go through what I did. 207 00:14:43,004 --> 00:14:45,091 Yeah, we think he actually had a heart attack 208 00:14:45,092 --> 00:14:48,020 as a result of what was done to him. 209 00:14:49,076 --> 00:14:51,012 As a result of the pain. 210 00:14:54,028 --> 00:14:56,007 How does that make you feel? 211 00:14:56,008 --> 00:14:57,019 Oh, I don't know. 212 00:14:57,020 --> 00:14:59,024 What goes around comes around, I suppose. 213 00:15:01,008 --> 00:15:04,020 So where were you yesterday, Debbie, during the day? 214 00:15:05,060 --> 00:15:06,055 At home. 215 00:15:06,056 --> 00:15:08,019 You don't work Mondays? 216 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:09,055 It's my day off. 217 00:15:09,056 --> 00:15:13,079 All right, did anyone see you at home, or kids? 218 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,012 Kids were out all day. 219 00:15:16,004 --> 00:15:17,000 No one else saw me. 220 00:15:20,084 --> 00:15:23,032 I think we're gonna need more than five minutes. 221 00:15:29,036 --> 00:15:30,031 We good, boss? 222 00:15:30,032 --> 00:15:31,059 Yeah, I'm good, David. 223 00:15:31,060 --> 00:15:32,075 Are you good? 224 00:15:32,076 --> 00:15:34,039 Yeah. 225 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,039 This way. 226 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,075 According to the mother, his old man was an alcoholic, 227 00:15:42,076 --> 00:15:44,047 used to batter Collins when he'd had a few. 228 00:15:44,048 --> 00:15:45,031 Right. 229 00:15:45,032 --> 00:15:46,095 As a result, Ray never touched a drop, 230 00:15:46,096 --> 00:15:48,063 had a phobia about it. 231 00:15:48,064 --> 00:15:50,047 So this bottle of whisky down his neck 232 00:15:50,048 --> 00:15:52,019 means they knew him, knew his past. 233 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:53,068 Or they were told about it. 234 00:15:55,044 --> 00:15:56,083 All right. 235 00:15:56,084 --> 00:15:58,055 So how old are your kids? 236 00:15:58,056 --> 00:16:01,027 Holly's ten, Jasmine's just turned 13. 237 00:16:01,028 --> 00:16:03,015 And good kids? 238 00:16:03,016 --> 00:16:04,056 They're kids. 239 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:08,068 And where were they yesterday? 240 00:16:09,052 --> 00:16:12,003 'Cause they're not back at school yet, are they? 241 00:16:12,004 --> 00:16:12,087 You don't think they could-- 242 00:16:12,088 --> 00:16:14,071 We're just wondering why they weren't at home, 243 00:16:14,072 --> 00:16:17,027 for at least some part of the day, 244 00:16:17,028 --> 00:16:19,004 so they can corroborate your alibi. 245 00:16:22,016 --> 00:16:23,056 They've been through hell. 246 00:16:24,072 --> 00:16:26,015 I'd think I'd be more surprised 247 00:16:26,016 --> 00:16:28,004 if they hadn't gone off the rails a bit, 248 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:32,019 and that's fine. 249 00:16:32,020 --> 00:16:37,020 When I'm, when i'm sober, I can handle them. 250 00:16:38,008 --> 00:16:42,060 Their, anger or hatred. 251 00:16:43,048 --> 00:16:45,031 The language they use. 252 00:16:45,032 --> 00:16:49,076 But when I've had a drink I just, I don't have the energy. 253 00:16:51,084 --> 00:16:54,084 And so they go out, and they stay out, 254 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,000 and I know that's wrong, and I want to stop, but, 255 00:17:07,088 --> 00:17:09,039 I struggle to cope with the guilt, 256 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,012 about what he did, what his lawyer did, 257 00:17:14,008 --> 00:17:16,004 what the CPS did to our family. 258 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,008 I struggle knowing that'll never go away. 259 00:17:23,048 --> 00:17:25,000 It's a scar that never fades. 260 00:17:29,004 --> 00:17:30,024 I can tell you honestly, 261 00:17:32,016 --> 00:17:34,052 I've dreamed about killing him a million times. 262 00:17:35,096 --> 00:17:38,007 I thought about what I'd do. 263 00:17:38,008 --> 00:17:40,024 How slowly, how much I'd make him suffer, 264 00:17:43,012 --> 00:17:45,052 but right now I just wouldn't have the strength. 265 00:17:48,020 --> 00:17:49,019 Right now I'm just trying to put 266 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:50,076 one foot in front of the other. 267 00:18:04,028 --> 00:18:05,044 What'd you think? 268 00:18:07,044 --> 00:18:08,028 Guv? 269 00:18:09,028 --> 00:18:10,031 What'd you think? 270 00:18:10,032 --> 00:18:12,000 Um, send her home. 271 00:18:15,084 --> 00:18:20,084 Her kids need her. 272 00:20:31,068 --> 00:20:33,007 Jesus! 273 00:20:33,008 --> 00:20:35,019 Guv, you gave me a fright. 274 00:20:35,020 --> 00:20:36,043 Sorry. 275 00:20:36,044 --> 00:20:38,028 Bad habit, sitting in the dark. 276 00:20:39,052 --> 00:20:40,035 Been waiting for the lab to ring, 277 00:20:40,036 --> 00:20:42,051 which they just did. 278 00:20:42,052 --> 00:20:43,035 And? 279 00:20:43,036 --> 00:20:44,092 No foreign prints, the flat's empty. 280 00:20:45,096 --> 00:20:50,011 Right, CCTV? 281 00:20:50,012 --> 00:20:52,075 All three cameras covering the entrance were broken, 282 00:20:52,076 --> 00:20:54,059 and there's nothing covering the walkway up to his flat. 283 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:56,028 - Nice. - Yeah. 284 00:20:58,008 --> 00:21:00,043 Maybe you were an Emo in a former life. 285 00:21:00,044 --> 00:21:01,027 Hm? 286 00:21:01,028 --> 00:21:02,084 The sitting in the dark thing. 287 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:11,011 Oh, er, yeah, maybe. 288 00:21:11,012 --> 00:21:12,000 - Night. - Night. 289 00:22:19,032 --> 00:22:20,063 Sorry to wake you, boss. 290 00:22:20,064 --> 00:22:23,019 I think we might have another one. 291 00:22:36,036 --> 00:22:37,087 Cheers. 292 00:22:37,088 --> 00:22:40,051 50% burns, he was crying for his mum 293 00:22:40,052 --> 00:22:42,011 when they found him, apparently. 294 00:22:42,012 --> 00:22:42,095 Who found him? 295 00:22:42,096 --> 00:22:44,063 The woman who lives next door. 296 00:22:44,064 --> 00:22:46,071 She was coming in from a night out, she saw the door open, 297 00:22:46,072 --> 00:22:48,083 so she stuck her head in, heard weird noises, 298 00:22:48,084 --> 00:22:49,999 "like an animal", she said. 299 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,035 Do we have a name? 300 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:53,011 Guy Dawlish, QC. 301 00:22:53,012 --> 00:22:54,075 Two years ago he was arrested 302 00:22:54,076 --> 00:22:57,024 following allegations of child sex abuse. 303 00:23:05,064 --> 00:23:06,095 This screen was displaying images 304 00:23:06,096 --> 00:23:09,051 of child sex abuse when we got here. 305 00:23:09,052 --> 00:23:12,019 And these ties are the same 306 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:14,019 as the ones used to restrain Collins. 307 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:15,039 You said he was arrested, 308 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,003 you didn't say that he was charged or convicted. 309 00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:19,015 CPS said there was insufficient evidence. 310 00:23:19,016 --> 00:23:22,011 So we have a pattern. 311 00:23:22,012 --> 00:23:24,004 Has to be a possibility, doesn't it? 312 00:23:26,004 --> 00:23:27,071 Who was his victim? 313 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:30,023 A 14-year-old friend of his daughter's, 314 00:23:30,024 --> 00:23:34,067 name of, uh, Sally Watkins. 315 00:23:34,068 --> 00:23:36,023 Okay, so we need details of every failed 316 00:23:36,024 --> 00:23:39,039 sexual abuse prosecution in the last, let's say three years. 317 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,023 Yeah. 318 00:23:40,024 --> 00:23:41,059 'Cause we're dealing with two accused 319 00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:44,007 but unconvicted pedophiles, 320 00:23:44,008 --> 00:23:47,023 both attacked with unusual brutality. 321 00:23:47,024 --> 00:23:49,016 This could just be the start. 322 00:24:10,068 --> 00:24:12,036 What number is it? 323 00:24:13,024 --> 00:24:15,016 Let me check. 324 00:24:29,064 --> 00:24:32,008 Dad works nights, security. 325 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:34,075 He'll be back in a couple of hours 326 00:24:34,076 --> 00:24:38,039 but he ain't exactly Max Payne, is he? 327 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040 If you're thinking it would've been him. 328 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,051 We will still need to speak to him, 329 00:24:42,052 --> 00:24:44,003 though, Sally, and mum. 330 00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:45,043 Mum's not here, I'm afraid, 331 00:24:45,044 --> 00:24:48,019 on account of Mum having fucked off six months ago. 332 00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:49,999 Which hospital is he in? 333 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,091 Ah, we can't tell you that, I'm afraid. 334 00:24:51,092 --> 00:24:52,075 Just want to send him 335 00:24:52,076 --> 00:24:54,040 a don't get well soon card, babes. 336 00:24:57,096 --> 00:25:00,047 So were you here on your own last night? 337 00:25:00,048 --> 00:25:01,031 Don't even be thinking about 338 00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:02,084 asking me if I've got an alibi. 339 00:25:03,072 --> 00:25:06,051 So, could you give us your mum's address, then, please? 340 00:25:06,052 --> 00:25:07,067 No idea. 341 00:25:07,068 --> 00:25:09,028 Well, would your dad have written it down anywhere? 342 00:25:10,028 --> 00:25:11,012 Don't know. 343 00:25:12,084 --> 00:25:14,032 Could you check? 344 00:25:16,088 --> 00:25:18,031 Why are you here? 345 00:25:18,032 --> 00:25:19,039 You ruined my life! 346 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,047 Enough already of you right now, darling. 347 00:25:21,048 --> 00:25:26,048 Get up until I ask you-- 348 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,048 You wanker! 349 00:26:11,056 --> 00:26:13,087 Out, now. 350 00:26:13,088 --> 00:26:14,071 I said get out! 351 00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:16,015 It said in the files you were friends 352 00:26:16,016 --> 00:26:17,040 with his daughter, Chloe. 353 00:26:19,016 --> 00:26:19,095 And? 354 00:26:19,096 --> 00:26:22,088 I just wondered how you knew her, that's all. 355 00:26:27,048 --> 00:26:29,040 I got a scholarship to Latimer. 356 00:26:30,072 --> 00:26:31,056 Chloe went there. 357 00:26:34,056 --> 00:26:36,055 We became friends. 358 00:26:36,056 --> 00:26:39,007 And I used to go to her house for sleepovers and stuff. 359 00:26:39,008 --> 00:26:40,048 Is that where it happened? 360 00:26:46,064 --> 00:26:48,080 It's OK, it's OK. 361 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,036 We're on your side, Sally. 362 00:26:55,064 --> 00:26:58,048 One night he gave us a hot chocolate that tasted weird. 363 00:27:01,028 --> 00:27:02,084 Next thing I know-- 364 00:27:05,076 --> 00:27:07,032 It's okay. 365 00:27:13,068 --> 00:27:17,044 Next thing I know, I woke up and my bottoms were off. 366 00:27:19,076 --> 00:27:21,000 I'm so sorry, Sally, 367 00:27:24,072 --> 00:27:26,060 for everything that's happened to you, 368 00:27:29,004 --> 00:27:32,060 and that he wasn't punished for what he did, 369 00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:37,004 because he should've been. 370 00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:42,016 That's why I wouldn't blame your friends or your family, 371 00:27:44,076 --> 00:27:47,076 if any of them had had thoughts of punishing him themselves. 372 00:28:12,068 --> 00:28:13,051 Rick? 373 00:28:13,052 --> 00:28:14,999 Oh, we've got another failed abuse prosecution 374 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,028 and subsequent attack, name is John Statham. 375 00:28:20,092 --> 00:28:22,052 He was a martial arts teacher. 376 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,079 I should say, I didn't handle the sexual assault. 377 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,071 I did the subsequent attack on him. 378 00:28:28,072 --> 00:28:29,075 Well, who did the assault? 379 00:28:29,076 --> 00:28:30,092 Bob Jessop? 380 00:28:34,008 --> 00:28:35,071 That's my old governor. 381 00:28:35,072 --> 00:28:36,095 Retired now, I think. 382 00:28:36,096 --> 00:28:37,079 Cancer. 383 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,055 So how serious was the assault? 384 00:28:39,056 --> 00:28:41,007 Serious. 385 00:28:41,008 --> 00:28:42,063 What age was the child? 386 00:28:42,064 --> 00:28:45,007 Nine, a little girl called Phoebe. 387 00:28:45,008 --> 00:28:48,031 So, what was the problem with the CPS? 388 00:28:48,032 --> 00:28:49,063 Her statement weren't that brilliant, 389 00:28:49,064 --> 00:28:52,003 and there was very little physical evidence. 390 00:28:52,004 --> 00:28:53,015 At the end of the day, they thought 391 00:28:53,016 --> 00:28:54,095 they're probably not gonna get a conviction, so they bailed. 392 00:28:54,096 --> 00:28:57,043 What about the attack on Statham? 393 00:28:57,044 --> 00:28:58,059 Nasty. 394 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:00,007 Tell me. 395 00:29:00,008 --> 00:29:03,016 Severe internal hemorrhaging due to the forced insertion, 396 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,096 It's all in the original files. 397 00:29:07,092 --> 00:29:10,003 So where does Statham live now? 398 00:29:10,004 --> 00:29:13,003 Some sort of residential care, I think. 399 00:29:13,004 --> 00:29:16,031 He had multiple strokes in the days after the attacks, 400 00:29:16,032 --> 00:29:18,020 so he's pretty gaga now. 401 00:29:21,072 --> 00:29:25,075 The guy that did it, Nico Kashell. 402 00:29:25,076 --> 00:29:26,059 How did you find him? 403 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:28,067 He was the little girl's dad. 404 00:29:28,068 --> 00:29:30,087 Talked pretty much straightaway. 405 00:29:30,088 --> 00:29:32,076 Really, what did he get? 406 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:35,075 Eight years. 407 00:29:35,076 --> 00:29:38,027 He's done two already now, I think, 408 00:29:38,028 --> 00:29:40,091 so be out in another two, I guess. 409 00:29:40,092 --> 00:29:41,999 And you did the original interview? 410 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,063 Yeah. 411 00:29:43,064 --> 00:29:44,047 Did you ever get the sense 412 00:29:44,048 --> 00:29:46,027 there could have been anyone else involved? 413 00:29:46,028 --> 00:29:47,015 An accomplice? 414 00:29:47,016 --> 00:29:51,075 Well, someone who might be carrying on the good work now. 415 00:29:51,076 --> 00:29:52,095 Well, obviously not. 416 00:29:52,096 --> 00:29:53,083 I mean, if I'd thought that 417 00:29:53,084 --> 00:29:55,068 I would've widened the investigation. 418 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,071 It was a personal thing, simple as. 419 00:30:01,072 --> 00:30:03,051 Kashell actually said to me he wanted Statham 420 00:30:03,052 --> 00:30:05,000 to suffer like his daughter did. 421 00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:07,044 Right. 422 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,095 It was Kashell on his own, personal revenge. 423 00:30:11,096 --> 00:30:12,080 End of. 424 00:30:22,032 --> 00:30:23,011 Go on then. 425 00:30:23,012 --> 00:30:23,096 Yeah? 426 00:30:27,056 --> 00:30:29,000 Yeah, okay, yeah. 427 00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,027 I've got it, yeah. 428 00:30:32,028 --> 00:30:33,083 Three colleagues can corroborate 429 00:30:33,084 --> 00:30:36,003 Sally Watkins' father was at work all night. 430 00:30:36,004 --> 00:30:36,096 He's in the clear. 431 00:30:41,064 --> 00:30:43,031 You seen a doctor for that? 432 00:30:43,032 --> 00:30:45,043 Why would I go to a doctor? 433 00:30:45,044 --> 00:30:46,027 You ever been to the doctor? 434 00:30:46,028 --> 00:30:47,023 They examine you, they say, 435 00:30:47,024 --> 00:30:48,035 oh, I know exactly what's wrong with you 436 00:30:48,036 --> 00:30:49,083 and here are the pills to cure you. 437 00:30:49,084 --> 00:30:51,035 Doctor, schmocter. 438 00:30:51,036 --> 00:30:53,024 All right, Chuckles, geeze. 439 00:30:54,028 --> 00:30:55,047 This one? 440 00:30:55,048 --> 00:30:56,096 34, yeah. 441 00:30:59,028 --> 00:31:00,011 Hello? 442 00:31:00,012 --> 00:31:01,059 Gail Watkins? 443 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,047 Yeah? 444 00:31:03,048 --> 00:31:05,063 DI William Wagstaffe, I need to speak to you 445 00:31:05,064 --> 00:31:08,079 in connection with an assault on Guy Dawlish. 446 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,032 And how is the scumbag? 447 00:31:11,092 --> 00:31:13,088 Not so good, he's in an induced coma. 448 00:31:14,084 --> 00:31:16,003 Good, have you told Sally? 449 00:31:16,004 --> 00:31:18,056 We spoke to her this morning, yeah. 450 00:31:26,092 --> 00:31:27,999 I never left her, you know. 451 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,084 I left her dad. 452 00:31:29,072 --> 00:31:31,096 I begged her to come with me, I still do, but 453 00:31:33,044 --> 00:31:34,063 I'm her mother, so she blames me 454 00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:36,032 for everything that bastard did. 455 00:31:37,032 --> 00:31:39,047 So you must be very angry with Mr. Dawlish 456 00:31:39,048 --> 00:31:41,027 for everything he's put you through. 457 00:31:41,028 --> 00:31:42,055 But I'd never repair anything 458 00:31:42,056 --> 00:31:44,036 from a prison cell, though, would I? 459 00:31:46,036 --> 00:31:48,004 Where were you Thursday night? 460 00:31:52,096 --> 00:31:54,011 I was working. 461 00:31:54,012 --> 00:31:55,044 - Where? - Here. 462 00:31:57,032 --> 00:31:58,016 Punters. 463 00:31:59,024 --> 00:32:00,007 You got their names? 464 00:32:00,008 --> 00:32:01,071 Oh, yeah, and their home addresses 465 00:32:01,072 --> 00:32:03,056 We're gonna need their names, Gail. 466 00:32:06,024 --> 00:32:08,055 You think this is easier for me, don't you? 467 00:32:08,056 --> 00:32:09,060 Because of what I am. 468 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,011 You think what happened to her 469 00:32:12,012 --> 00:32:13,095 doesn't matter as much as me, 'cause, 470 00:32:13,096 --> 00:32:14,088 'cause I'm a whore. 471 00:32:16,068 --> 00:32:19,059 She's my daughter, and was just a little girl 472 00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:21,035 when he did what he did to her, 473 00:32:21,036 --> 00:32:22,079 and we will all be scarred by this 474 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,016 for the rest of our lives. 475 00:32:29,072 --> 00:32:32,027 Do you want me to follow up on that with the punters? 476 00:32:32,028 --> 00:32:34,007 She used the same words. 477 00:32:34,008 --> 00:32:35,035 What's that? 478 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:37,071 As Debbie Collins, she used the same words. 479 00:32:37,072 --> 00:32:39,051 It's gonna scar us for the rest of our lives. 480 00:32:39,052 --> 00:32:40,071 It was on a, um, 481 00:32:40,072 --> 00:32:43,020 it was on a flyer in her daughter's room, as well. 482 00:32:44,032 --> 00:32:46,071 I think that's a link between the victims 483 00:32:46,072 --> 00:32:49,043 of Debbie's husband and Guy Dawlish. 484 00:32:49,044 --> 00:32:51,012 You reckon? 485 00:33:02,084 --> 00:33:03,095 Hi, guys! 486 00:33:03,096 --> 00:33:06,015 You're back early. 487 00:33:06,016 --> 00:33:07,032 Yeah. 488 00:33:08,036 --> 00:33:11,059 Er, Paulo was passing, so he's just popped in. 489 00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:13,003 Paulo, this is my brother, Will. 490 00:33:13,004 --> 00:33:15,055 Yeah, I've heard so much about you, so it's nice to, 491 00:33:15,056 --> 00:33:17,035 nice to finally meet you. 492 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:18,080 Yeah, likewise. 493 00:33:20,076 --> 00:33:23,083 What happened to your face? 494 00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:25,040 Ah, I got mugged. 495 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,083 Hey, London. 496 00:33:27,084 --> 00:33:28,999 Wow, I'm sorry to hear that, man. 497 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,027 Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. 498 00:33:30,028 --> 00:33:31,012 Sure. 499 00:33:33,032 --> 00:33:35,048 It's lovely meeting you. 500 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,075 Will? 501 00:34:06,076 --> 00:34:07,096 What? 502 00:34:09,016 --> 00:34:09,999 What's the matter? 503 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,016 Nothing, I'm fine, just, 504 00:34:14,036 --> 00:34:15,068 just a shit day. 505 00:34:19,060 --> 00:34:20,044 Talk to me. 506 00:34:21,068 --> 00:34:22,063 I'm fine. 507 00:34:22,064 --> 00:34:23,064 Talk to me. 508 00:34:30,028 --> 00:34:34,052 Monday, the 15th August, 10:28 am, 2017. 509 00:34:40,056 --> 00:34:41,088 It's the moment, 510 00:34:46,036 --> 00:34:47,035 it's the moment in my life 511 00:34:47,036 --> 00:34:49,048 where I've lived without them longer than with. 512 00:34:53,016 --> 00:34:54,024 Right, right. 513 00:34:56,068 --> 00:34:57,051 It's nuts, isn't it? 514 00:34:57,052 --> 00:34:59,003 - Sorry. - No, Will, it's not. 515 00:34:59,004 --> 00:35:00,019 No, I should have known, it's not like 516 00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:01,015 you've got yours written down 517 00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:01,999 - or anything. - Mine? 518 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,020 Yeah, 21:17, June 12, 2018. 519 00:35:06,012 --> 00:35:07,079 I marked down their anniversaries. 520 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,055 Five years, ten years, 15 years. 521 00:35:09,056 --> 00:35:10,043 Their birthdays. 522 00:35:10,044 --> 00:35:13,067 I'm sorry, Will, it just, it didn't occur to me. 523 00:35:13,068 --> 00:35:14,052 It's fine. 524 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,095 It's not a competition about who grieves them more. 525 00:35:19,096 --> 00:35:21,051 No. 526 00:35:21,052 --> 00:35:24,003 I do think that it's time that you tried to move on. 527 00:35:24,004 --> 00:35:25,067 Oh! 528 00:35:25,068 --> 00:35:26,051 Yeah, like you have? 529 00:35:26,052 --> 00:35:27,087 - Yeah, I try. - Yeah? 530 00:35:27,088 --> 00:35:29,047 Just one messed-up boyfriend after another 531 00:35:29,048 --> 00:35:31,079 you try and make better so you can forget about your own 532 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,076 fucked up car crash of a life? 533 00:35:34,064 --> 00:35:38,040 Sorry, sorry, I didn't, I didn't mean that. 534 00:35:39,028 --> 00:35:40,043 We'll leave in the morning. 535 00:35:40,044 --> 00:35:42,003 No, you don't have to leave, I'm sorry. 536 00:35:42,004 --> 00:35:43,003 I said sorry. 537 00:35:43,004 --> 00:35:43,999 We need to talk about this place. 538 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,032 It's time to sell, and I want my half. 539 00:36:08,052 --> 00:36:09,051 Hello? 540 00:36:09,052 --> 00:36:11,011 Hi, it's me. 541 00:36:11,012 --> 00:36:12,012 Hi, Will. 542 00:36:13,052 --> 00:36:14,072 Listen, Sylve, 543 00:36:20,092 --> 00:36:22,036 I was just wondering if, um, 544 00:36:25,004 --> 00:36:27,051 I was just wondering if maybe you wanted to 545 00:36:27,052 --> 00:36:30,052 grab a dinner at some point. 546 00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:37,047 Yeah, that'd be nice, yeah. 547 00:36:37,048 --> 00:36:39,083 Let me check my diary. 548 00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:09,008 Do you remember him? 549 00:37:12,032 --> 00:37:13,024 Hi, mate. 550 00:37:14,052 --> 00:37:17,059 Sorry, I thought you were asleep. 551 00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:18,083 Remember who? 552 00:37:18,084 --> 00:37:19,076 Your dad. 553 00:37:20,092 --> 00:37:21,076 Yeah. 554 00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:27,052 Yeah, I remember him really well. 555 00:37:29,012 --> 00:37:30,060 I don't remember mine. 556 00:37:34,028 --> 00:37:36,096 Yeah, that's rotten, isn't it? 557 00:37:38,092 --> 00:37:41,068 But, I mean, you've got your mum. 558 00:37:43,024 --> 00:37:44,012 And you've got me. 559 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,064 We love you very much. 560 00:37:50,044 --> 00:37:51,044 Go to sleep. 561 00:38:01,096 --> 00:38:04,087 Just stay till the weekend, I really want you to. 562 00:38:04,088 --> 00:38:06,067 I really want to spend more time with Harry. 563 00:38:06,068 --> 00:38:09,087 So, I'm sorry about what I said, 564 00:38:09,088 --> 00:38:11,056 I didn't mean it, just, 565 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:16,011 just let me explain stuff, please. 566 00:38:16,012 --> 00:38:18,060 Call me, just call me. 567 00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:22,019 I attacked Statham alone. 568 00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:23,088 There was no one else involved. 569 00:38:25,032 --> 00:38:26,043 Okay. 570 00:38:26,044 --> 00:38:28,072 What I did, I did for my family. 571 00:38:30,068 --> 00:38:33,040 For my wife, my daughter. 572 00:38:35,096 --> 00:38:37,012 It was personal. 573 00:38:44,004 --> 00:38:46,060 Were you ever in any playground fights at school? 574 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,083 No. 575 00:38:49,084 --> 00:38:52,088 Any incidents of violence at all before this one? 576 00:38:53,096 --> 00:38:54,075 No. 577 00:38:54,076 --> 00:38:57,071 Ever been in any trouble with the police at all? 578 00:38:57,072 --> 00:38:58,052 No. 579 00:38:59,048 --> 00:39:00,032 Okay. 580 00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:03,080 How much do you weigh, Nico? 581 00:39:06,016 --> 00:39:07,024 10.2, 10.3. 582 00:39:08,096 --> 00:39:09,080 10.3. 583 00:39:11,024 --> 00:39:16,024 And back then, Statham was six two, 17 stone. 584 00:39:18,068 --> 00:39:22,096 Wow, that's a big guy you overpowered there. 585 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,011 Do you know a man named Ray Collins? 586 00:39:27,012 --> 00:39:28,095 No. 587 00:39:28,096 --> 00:39:30,056 A man called Guy Dawlish? 588 00:39:32,012 --> 00:39:32,096 No. 589 00:39:34,008 --> 00:39:34,092 Okay. 590 00:39:37,036 --> 00:39:38,032 No problem, thanks. 591 00:39:39,016 --> 00:39:40,016 Just one last thing. 592 00:39:43,012 --> 00:39:46,096 What did it feel like when you did what you did to him? 593 00:39:50,092 --> 00:39:52,095 Not like I thought it would. 594 00:39:52,096 --> 00:39:53,076 In what way? 595 00:39:55,048 --> 00:39:58,055 Our capacity for tolerating physical pain 596 00:39:58,056 --> 00:40:00,000 is extremely limited. 597 00:40:01,008 --> 00:40:02,088 He passed out very quickly. 598 00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:08,064 My abiding emotion, 599 00:40:12,032 --> 00:40:13,012 was one of envy. 600 00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:21,079 You know the main evidence against him was his confession? 601 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,999 Did you read what he was supposed to have done to Statham? 602 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,083 Yeah. 603 00:40:24,084 --> 00:40:26,023 What, and you buy that that guy 604 00:40:26,024 --> 00:40:27,083 could've actually done those things? 605 00:40:27,084 --> 00:40:29,027 Why would he confess if he hadn't? 606 00:40:29,028 --> 00:40:31,027 Maybe he wanted him punished but he didn't have 607 00:40:31,028 --> 00:40:33,007 the nerve himself, so that was the deal. 608 00:40:33,008 --> 00:40:34,043 Someone said, I'll punish him for you, 609 00:40:34,044 --> 00:40:36,023 but you have to confess, 610 00:40:36,024 --> 00:40:37,031 so they don't come looking for me. 611 00:40:37,032 --> 00:40:39,055 Maybe Kashell was wanting to expiate his guilt 612 00:40:39,056 --> 00:40:41,079 for not protecting his daughter? 613 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,007 Maybe he's just nuts? 614 00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:45,047 People confess to crimes they haven't committed 615 00:40:45,048 --> 00:40:46,043 for all sorts of reasons. 616 00:40:46,044 --> 00:40:47,055 I think you're trying to connect the attack 617 00:40:47,056 --> 00:40:48,055 on Statham to our other two cases, 618 00:40:48,056 --> 00:40:50,007 and it just doesn't play. 619 00:40:50,008 --> 00:40:51,011 Jesus, we don't even know for sure 620 00:40:51,012 --> 00:40:52,063 that the Collins and Dawlish cases are connected. 621 00:40:52,064 --> 00:40:53,075 One's a GBH, one's a murder. 622 00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:58,079 But Collins died of a heart attack, of shock. 623 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,036 So what if that was a GBH, too, it just went wrong? 624 00:41:02,032 --> 00:41:04,007 Or maybe you're right, none of it fits 625 00:41:04,008 --> 00:41:05,079 and I'm just talking bollocks. 626 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,088 Mm. 627 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,011 On face value it would seem to satisfy certain needs. 628 00:41:24,012 --> 00:41:26,056 The truth is, where do you go with it? 629 00:41:27,044 --> 00:41:29,023 When you decide you have the right to exact 630 00:41:29,024 --> 00:41:34,023 your own punishment, where does it lead? 631 00:41:34,024 --> 00:41:35,084 Am I about to find out? 632 00:41:38,056 --> 00:41:39,044 It's a dead end. 633 00:41:41,024 --> 00:41:43,023 Because no one benefits. 634 00:41:43,024 --> 00:41:47,043 Obviously not your victims, but not you either. 635 00:41:47,044 --> 00:41:50,039 And you know this from personal experience? 636 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,024 I've just seen it enough times. 637 00:41:57,076 --> 00:42:00,076 The truth is, revenge diminishes us. 638 00:42:04,044 --> 00:42:05,092 It's not sweet. 639 00:42:06,096 --> 00:42:09,011 Said almost like you felt it. 640 00:42:09,012 --> 00:42:09,091 I do. 641 00:42:09,092 --> 00:42:10,075 No, uh-uh. 642 00:42:10,076 --> 00:42:12,092 You know it, Will, but you don't feel it. 643 00:42:15,064 --> 00:42:17,035 You know, it's funny, when you rang, 644 00:42:17,036 --> 00:42:19,020 'cause I was actually gonna call you. 645 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:21,083 Really? 646 00:42:21,084 --> 00:42:22,068 Mm-hmm, I wondered, 647 00:42:23,096 --> 00:42:26,076 Well, I thought you might like some company on the 15th. 648 00:42:34,088 --> 00:42:37,096 Uh, wow. 649 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,095 You are the first person who has worked that little gem out. 650 00:42:42,096 --> 00:42:45,027 Are you OK about it? 651 00:42:45,028 --> 00:42:48,051 Uh, no. 652 00:42:48,052 --> 00:42:50,072 Well, it wasn't a real question. 653 00:42:51,076 --> 00:42:53,052 I'm trying, Sylvie. 654 00:42:55,064 --> 00:42:57,071 Every day I try, 'cause I hate it. 655 00:42:57,072 --> 00:43:00,024 I hate, I hate being defined as the, 656 00:43:01,032 --> 00:43:03,036 as the guy whose parents were murdered, 657 00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:08,043 and I'm trying to move on. 658 00:43:08,044 --> 00:43:12,020 I am, I'm, I'm trying to be a grown-up. 659 00:43:14,088 --> 00:43:19,076 It's hard, because no matter how hard I try, 660 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,028 whilst he or she is still out there, 661 00:43:26,024 --> 00:43:27,028 I'm punished. 662 00:43:31,036 --> 00:43:32,072 Just keeps pulling me back. 663 00:43:37,052 --> 00:43:38,035 What can I say? 664 00:43:38,036 --> 00:43:39,083 I understand completely. 665 00:43:39,084 --> 00:43:40,072 Of course I do. 666 00:43:41,060 --> 00:43:43,003 Of course I do. 667 00:43:43,004 --> 00:43:45,035 But in the end you have to know 668 00:43:45,036 --> 00:43:47,031 that you're not gonna find anyone. 669 00:43:47,032 --> 00:43:49,019 Not 17 years on. 670 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:52,067 So, unless you want this to be the rest of your life, 671 00:43:52,068 --> 00:43:55,000 Will, something has to change. 672 00:44:04,068 --> 00:44:06,067 This was completely unexpected, m'lady. 673 00:44:06,068 --> 00:44:08,015 We had previously believed the victim 674 00:44:08,016 --> 00:44:09,035 was willing to testify. 675 00:44:09,036 --> 00:44:10,039 I understand this was 676 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,003 beyond your control, Mr Benson, 677 00:44:13,004 --> 00:44:15,071 because you've told me that several times now. 678 00:44:15,072 --> 00:44:19,031 My question to you is, are you planning to call 679 00:44:19,032 --> 00:44:22,035 other witnesses to support the crown's case? 680 00:44:22,036 --> 00:44:24,031 That certainly is our intention. 681 00:44:24,032 --> 00:44:25,067 But this will require that we push 682 00:44:25,068 --> 00:44:26,083 the date of the trial back-- 683 00:44:26,084 --> 00:44:28,032 Yes, I see. 684 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,023 Mr Mallory. 685 00:44:30,024 --> 00:44:32,027 We have no objection to postponing the trial, m'lady, 686 00:44:32,028 --> 00:44:34,075 but as I'm sure my learned colleague is aware, 687 00:44:34,076 --> 00:44:36,047 no application has been made 688 00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:38,051 to extend my client's remand period, 689 00:44:38,052 --> 00:44:40,087 which will exceed the maximum today. 690 00:44:40,088 --> 00:44:41,071 So I would like to make 691 00:44:41,072 --> 00:44:44,027 an immediate application for unconditional bail. 692 00:44:44,028 --> 00:44:45,079 Mr Benson? 693 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,035 Yes, as I say, this all came out of the blue for us 694 00:44:48,036 --> 00:44:50,011 so we will not oppose bail. 695 00:44:50,012 --> 00:44:52,031 But I would ask that the defendant 696 00:44:52,032 --> 00:44:54,067 sign on at his local station. 697 00:44:54,068 --> 00:44:56,075 Yes, I'll agree to that. 698 00:44:56,076 --> 00:45:00,035 In which case, Mr Regis, it is my responsibility 699 00:45:00,036 --> 00:45:04,040 to inform you that, for now, you are free to go.